Friday, September 19, 2008

V. S. Acharya, Home Minister, Karnataka, blogs on Mangalore violence



The pattern of any violence in Mangalore follows a pattern: some issue- blown out of proportion by interested elements- outrage in some community- logic takes a back seat- arson/ riot/ looting/ damage to public property / attack on police follows...when culprits are arrested- a team of oppostion leaders/ intellectuals parade in the city/ hospitals/ media demanding for CBI enquiry, release of all arrested and resignation of all concerned !
Alas! the poor common man does not understand the designs of these "out of power" politicians!

Please think reasonably, comment responsibly. 
Raised voices/ abuses/blame game/ rumours have already caused enough damage, so there is no need to pollute the cyberspace with those! 
(those who are commenting from the middle eastern countries(UAE), pause and think...would you ever dream of touching a Police officer? leave alone snatching wireless set/ loot a police jeep/ burn a police bike)





A day after the Centre warned the state governments over attacks on churches and Christians, Karnataka government on Friday threatened the groups leading the attacks.

Karnataka's Home Minister V S Acharya has told NDTV that they will not allow the Bajrang Dal to take the law into their own hands.

The Centre on Thursday decided to invoke the Constitution to issue warnings to the Karnataka and Orissa governments after a series of attacks on churches and Christians.(Watch)

There were reports that the members of the Sangh parivar like the VHP and Bajrang Dal are carrying out these attacks with the tacit approval of the state governments.  ..more>



TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2008


Attacking a fellow human being - which religion justifies it?


photo: The Hindu

Looting a closed shop...
Food for thought...for all visitors of this blog...
Look at the photos below (advisory: disturbing images)
Some journalists were even attacked for clicking these images...
Police attacked...
Public property looted...
Police vehicles vandalised...
Storage of stones in "holy places"
What would you do, if you were in a Police uniform...in this situation?


 Why do you need stones in the cemetery?   Don`t they spare those who are resting in peace??

Love thy neighbour, stone thy police?   (look at the red soft drink crates...for throwing bottles too!)

Hiding inside a "place of worship"

Attack on Police from the terrace of the "place of worship"- professional job...check the camouflage!

May these stones rest in peace

No concern for environment, hapless trees bear the brunt...

Taxpayers money...a Police Bike...being vandalised by "peaceful protestors"

Police jeep looted by "peaceful protestors"...they are well educated, and behaved!


Road blocks...
Photo credit: mangalorean/ daijiworld/gulfkannadiga
So the pattern of any violence in Mangalore follows a pattern: some issue- blown out of proportion by interested elements- outrage in some community- logic takes a back seat- arson/ riot/ looting/ damage to public property / attack on police follows...when culprits are arrested- a team of oppostion leaders/ intellectuals parade in the city/ hospitals/ media demanding for CBI enquiry, release of all arrested and resignation of all concerned !
Alas! the poor common man does not understand the designs of these "out of power" politicians!

Please think reasonably, comment responsibly. 
Raised voices/ abuses/blame game/ rumours have already caused enough damage, so there is no need to pollute the cyberspace with those! 
(those who are commenting from the middle eastern countries(UAE), pause and think...would you ever dream of touching a Police officer? leave alone snatching wireless set/ loot a police jeep/ burn a police bike)
(If you have the integrity to make a responsible comment, please leave your e mail address with your comment)

40 COMMENTS:

Shrinidhi Hande said...
Why don't the police catch few protestors who damage public property and jail them- make them/their family members/sponsors pay the full price of the damage caused else don't release them. Police can have photo/video evidence that this particular person has caused damage to the property. Catch few people like this and make them cough up the damage money- others will learn a lesson and think before damaging buses and jeeps next time...
bali said...
Sir as you know New Life and Bible readers evangelic organisations are publish books insulting our gods. I hope u take stern action against them. These Incidents would never have happened if these evangelic Xtians didnt try yo convert hindus
Anonymous said...
Srinidhi...there are Problems: 1. human rights activists will then wake up and create a hue and cry 2. intellectuals like arundhati roy, medha pathak will go on fasting/ strike against alleged police atrocities... 3. pseudo intellectuals write rrams of articles on how karnataka is following gujarat model etc., afterall whose tax money is it anyway?
Anonymous said...
It is really a pity these kind of things happened in Mangalore where all religions especially christians and hindus live peacefully as one family since years.I dont think there is a single christian who do not have a hindu friend.So why this sudden violence.Even if there is conversion,why we could not sit and talk to each other and solve these issues without resorting to violence?We should consider ourselves as Indians first then only christians or hindus or of any other religious denominations.I hope and pray that all concerned leaders will get to gether and solve all these issues by dialogue as early as possible and let peaceful atmosphere of our beloved city to return to its original glory.
Anonymous said...
Srinidhi...Note that the intellectuals are already parading in Mangalore, demanding release of arrested christians! http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=51251&n_tit=Mangalore:%20Citizens'%20Delegation%20Blames%20Home%20Ministry%20for%20Collapse%20of%20Law%20and%20Order
voiceofneil said...
Sir, Please dont get offended with my comments. I have been deeply hurt by whats happening in my city and hope you are too. Please do something cos you are in power. Please save my city. Please for God Sake.
Vinnie said...
this is so hilarious.. First we have a blogger who is showing and typing in only one side of the story and then we have readers who are blinded by the words and pics!!! P.S- I will be really surprised if this gets published.. Blogger adds: Vinnie, you know where to look for stories which suit you! here the discussion is on vandalism and attack on Police.
Br Valerian said...
Being a doctor by profession you know that some sickness cannot be healed by doctors of this earth but the heavenly doctor. We pray that Jesus Christ bring healing to you and your people. God Bless you
bali said...
Sir this website gives you the passages made in NewLife Chruch. http://greathindu.com/2008/09/denigration-of-hindu-gods-reason-for-christian-attack/
vijay said...
Appreciate your courage to take action on long pending issue. Money which comes from External sources may not only use for the conversion but also for destabilizing the country. Hindus are famous for tolerance, but there is a limit for tolarance. Some of the english media channels are heavily funded by chrisitn organizations outside india. Narendra modi is the most mis quoted man in Indian history. Every good word come out of his mouth is twisted for wrong reasons by english media.
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Head said...
Mr Home Minister... The first thing you should do is BAN ... BAJRANG DAL.They had no right to hit at Catholics when they claim that the conversions and indignified was written about by NEW LIFE. Can any citizen go and murder/ Terrorise someonelse for no fault of theirs? Firstly, to rule the state you should know the religions, castes and sections. If one does not know that including Yeddyurappa, he needs to resign. Blogger: comment truncated, Head please note that jumping into conclusions is worse than the original crime!
Jessy said...
Mr.HM, what about the caning and lathi charge of the police on women and children inside the church premises? What about the damage done to christen churches? Blogger: you see for yourself in the images...police were thrown stones from WITHIN the church, be responsible, before drumming up passions.
Bhandari said...
Food for thought : In many of the foreign countries, people identify themselves as Pakistanis, Americans, Kuwaitis, Israelis etc. Indians identify themselves as Malayalis, Tamilians, Christians, Muslims ..... Until the day comes we think ourselves one nation, subject to one law, which applies equally to one and all, perverted logic will be used by scoundrels on perverted minds to create a more perverted society.
Anonymous said...
It seeems India is becoming a nation where Hindus can do no right and Christians/Muslims can do no wrong. Jesus Christ Super Star is blasphemy/minority bashing. Saraswati riding a tiger is artistic expression. Worship of Vishnu and Shiva is idolatory. Worship of an idol of Jesus on a cross, or a a statue of benevolent Mary, or St. Joseph is the right true way of worship. Every religious group except Hindus feel pain and angst. Is there a Government in India which will dare grab the income of any Church or Mosque to share among temples in India ? Who will speak for the Hindus ?
Blogger/Editor said...
Dear Deepak It is impossible to mail individually, hence the BLOG! good to have a dialogue here! Keep writing, as told earlier, with no malice/ bias
voiceofneil said...
Sir, Why doesnt the government publicly accept the fact that the destruction was from Bajrang Dal indeed. What is stopping the Government. I would be keen to know. On the otherside, i would be really keen to see the findings of the Government in the Foreign Fund Story. Also, what needs to be clear is Getting foreign aid itself is not illegal. There should be proof that this money is being used for NON CHARITY purposes. I am sure, Sri Satya Sai Baba and Sri Ravishankar get a lot of Money from International Devotees too. Am sure they use it for spreading their faith. Blogger:as mentioned earlier, there is no lynch mob justice in governance...facts have to be ascertained, before jumping into conclusions...all of a sudden ALL catholic/ missionery associations have STARTED DISOWNING NEW LIFE!
Bhandari said...
No civilized nation on earth tolerates attacks on its law enforcing agencies, with India the honorable exception of course. I hope you are in charge long enough to make it a non-bailable offence guaranteeing at least 10 years RI for police equipment / police personell to be attacked in groups. Maybe video images will be sent to multiple recording centers, including an honest independant supervisory body, in real time to help identify the criminals. It feels good that at last we have a Home Minister who trusts his police force and supports them. Thank you.
Anonymous said...
being an indian and a hindu, i feel ashamed to see the way you are trying to progate your political agenda. as you are in a responsible position you shuold be striving to bring peace and build bridges between the communites. please do not divide our people and the communities. i have so many chritians friends who are not as you claim to be. i am the product of the christian institutiion. i have never come accross any such conversions. i know many priests who are of high learning and compassionate. why blame them for your selfish motives. what is your problem if the person is willing to change his or religion? remeber there can not be any seuch forcible conversion as you accuse of my humble request ist that you be more open to other religion and cultures as indian. be a proud indian. celebrate the diversity. do not destroy the it.
Vinobha K T said...
I do agree that no religion would justify attacking a fellow human being. Similarly, we should also agree the fact that no religion would justify attacking another religion's prayer centres.
voiceofneil said...
Thanks for your response Sir, I see your point on How the Catholics have started disowning the "Evangelical" churches For your understanding, The Church has 3 major Categories, 1. Catholics: further divided into Othodox, Syrians and Roman Catholics. 2. Protestants: Products of Reformation, LEading to the Lutheran, Anglican Churches. 3. Evangelicals: Products of Revival: Pentecostals, Baptists etc. The First 2 are more established of the 3 Churches with laws and regulations to control internal activity. The First one is Governed by a central Authority. the second one though is more local but is still organized heirarchially. The third one is a more open Church and the mostly a local body though it has affiliations with a global set up. New Life fellowship belongs to one such unit. Traditionally, The Evangelical church has been involved in the spread of the Gospel which is a Christians Primary Duty. Now that does not mean conversion. But means Showing the love of God in Deed and Word(I aggree not many do it in this world). Because of it being relatively new, a repeat of reformation is taking place now. Which basically means Catholics and protestants who find this new church more function switch over as it does not require them to change a lot of things(technically, its no conversion). Now this has lead the Catholic Church at large to be a lil scared of this movement. Hence, more than the Hindu leaders you will find more support from Catholic preists and Bishops in curbing this movement(which will help them in saving the Mass going Crowd) orelse they may see the churches empty as in the US. In simple terms, Your Government needs to excercise a lot of wisdom in dealing with this issue. The best thing to do is to sit with each of the Church Leaders and understand where are the gaps coming from. This will help you get a whole round picture of the situation. I would be glad to help you in this initiative. Just let me know....
Anonymous said...
since you are the responsible minister,let the people of Karnataka know the facts.Constitue a committee consisting of members from all sections of the society(all political parties,religious denominations,NGO's,senior citizens etc) and try to get unbiased facts.And also let every body know how many people are converted in this state during 60 years of independece.
udupiite said...
It is indeed shocking to see such stories on the blog of the Home Minister of Karnataka!! saying the attack on churches was due to conversion activities...Is this the independent/democratic India our freedom fighters dreamt about?...political parties are clearly above the integrity of the nation for you people... I dont expect this post will get published
Anonymous said...
check http://thammayya.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/real-reason-for-attack-on-churches-in-mangalore-the-truth-behind-the-news/
Anonymous said...
Some people here have a real sense of humour starting with the guy who manages the blog and put up the pics. Gosh! How else would u have got only those pics which no other people have shot! Blogger: dear sir, it is no humour, serious issue, please see the photo credits in the post(or even watermarks of web page names on photos)...they have been sourced from reputed web pages, and graciously acknowledged too! (please do not insult one of the photographers who was injured in action-he was hit by protestors)
KJ said...
I feel ashamed today.. no hindu.. or for that matter.. no indian can be so ruthlessly unjust and biased towards an issue.. i seriously dont knw whether u know the full story or not.. but going by wht i hv seen, breaking jesus's effigy in church is the most sinful thing one cn ever do.. wt if somebody barges into ur house n breaks idol of lord vishnu? christians, protecting themselves n bulding a stone wall in cemetry is understandable, evn if nt fully justified.. but breaking hurting a community's sentiments, playing with thre lord.. its somethng worse than a sin.. rather than catching those who hv created disturbances in the city (christians/hindus), catch hold of those, who have not respected a religion and made a mockery of it.. Blogger: what about the derogatory literature by New Life, was`nt it the starting point?
Nagaraj said...
Message censored due to uncivilized content. Mr Nagaraj (or whoever posing as), please use other suitable media to express your opinions
Bhandari said...
Every society has its lunatic fringe, with its public discourse an indicator of its degree of maturity. I think it odd that our loud politicians and louder media have much to say about everything, including your intentions and loyalties, but not one word about the book Sathyadarshini, the cause of all this sadness. Our secular media, Congress politicians and the various organisations "with minority welfare at heart" conveniently call this an anti-conversion issue. Again not one word about this vituperative book on Hinduism. Dr Acharya, in reply to Br Valerians post, and the many who choose to crucify you for an act not of your making, I suggest that this evening when you pray, take a line from the last true Christian, our Lord Jesus Christ and say ' Forgive them O Lord, for they know not what they do".
Anonymous said...
Regarding the disownment of New life by Catholics......Please note that diswon is a term used when u let a perosn go off whom u own (example son etc), Catholic church never owned the New life......so thers no question of Disownment what the Catholic church is saying is that New Life and Roman Catholics are 2 different things, maybe the Non christians dont know about it......so better if Non christians do their homework completle before accusing.......
Mohan H Naik said...
Hello sir,I must congratulate you for handling the situation with maturity.If all the politicians have same maturity and vision like of yours, no doubt our country will be a real super-power.We assure our support and cooperation, towards building strong India and vibrant Karnataka.God bless you and your team.
Anonymous said...
@KJ You wrote, "...breaking jesus's effigy in church is the most sinful thing one cn ever do.. wt if somebody barges into ur house n breaks idol of lord vishnu?" Read the Goa Inquisition and see how many Hindu temples and Murtis, Idols of Hindu deities were destroyed by the christians under the leadership of Francis Xavier. Hundreds of thousand of Hindus were merciless killed, burned in over 250 years of Inquisition. And that man was decorated with Saint, what a joke. A cruel mass-murderer is a saint. Search in the google Goa Inquisition and learn. Go to NE India and see how cruel way Nagas run the state, they even don't allow tiny Hindus to built temple. They call Nagaland for Christ, and nobody else. Do you christians respect other faiths? Not at all. It seems core philosophy of Christianity is hate, violence, abuse against others faiths and culture and intimidate and force then to convert. Not only Hindus, you abuse all others, Jews, Muslims, etc. Only sometime back Pope used derogatory and degrading language against Islam's Profet Muhammed. See how muslims reacted. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5347876.stm Does your religion ever taught you to speak truth and respect others way of life?
Vinay said...
Can you make the copy of Sathya Darshini public. Why is it that hindus are the target of everybody-someone expresses himself by denigerating hindu Gods while people of his own religion create his rucus all over the world over a small cartoon. Someone else goes to rural and poor India and distributes prasad(bought from foriegn money) of some God with false claim to innocent tribals and villagers and convert them. I ask where has the punch line of a religion-LOVE YOUR ENEMIES gone. If we are your enemies I cannot see any love from your side, if we are not then why is there a voilence against us. If hindus retaliate they are fundamentalists, if some others convert people by fooling them and making them anti indians-it is constitutional right. If some others spread terrorism-media comes to the rescue with convict's mothers and all sorts of non-sense.
Vinay said...
For all the commenters who have criticized the blogger & the views of Dr V.S. Acharya, I am an Hindhu religion practitioner I read all ur comments that the photos & evidence regarding the vandelization of police vehicles etc is just one sided story, acts of violence on churches & moques shud be condemned & dealt with force, the govt is one sided, it needs to reform itself etc.. let me tell you we are the only nation in the whole world that has given powers of such magnitude to other religion's people in govt , even though its a hindhu majority. you might call you this secular country but I wont coz secular means euality to all religions, they must be equal in all rights. it shud not be that one religion is allowed to break the law & other to follow it. I regret that my country's leaders have made such terrible laws which support these things, anyway we cant change such things now. so we have to live with what we have, but please do mind there's a limit for tolerating things. please mind its our country its been called hindustan, it is called hindustan & it will be called hindustan.. if u cant accept it & follow the rules & low of the land please leave the country once in for all, we will be happy, but dont try to hurt the majority's feelings & there faith. It will some day prove very costly to you people, the day is very not far away when even our leaders start realizing things will get beyond control if we dont do something about minorities getting advantage of being a minority, they are exploiting the a majority community by using govt laws etc. Please its my humble request to all of you to stop these things like conversion & all, Its a universal secret now that you people try to convert hindus why dont you accept that. try to maintain respect for other religion too, if every hindhu starts revolting against your faults then mind you, you will have no place to hide, even you so called christian countries will not help you.. so please accept the fact & try to be more responsible in the society & in our country.. Once again I am reiterating that its our country, dont let us make to call it one day its my country & drive you off. Be carefull. & to Dr. V.S. Acharya, hats of to you sir, the good things you r doing I can recognize that very well, I have no regrets some people bark at you, just ignore them, do you good work & if you are really true to ur sense & soul, you will surely be successful in upholding the law.. Thanks a lot to open this blog & have ur view reach so many people. Here,s my mail-id as u said, Iam not afraid to leave my maid-id while speaking the truth, vinay_2003pt@yahoo.co.in
jibu said...
OUR GOVERNMENT MUST PRODUCE THE PHOTOCOPIES OF THE ORIGINAL PAPERS ISSUED BY NEW LIFE FOLLOWERS WHCH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AGAINST HINDU GODS AND BELIEFS. HOW YOU CAN EXPECT COMMON PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH UNTIL PROOFS ARE NOT SHOWN TO PUBLIC? THOSE WHO ATTACK THE CHARCHES SHOULD BRING BACK THE PROOF AND THEY SHOULD DEMONSTRATE IT TO PUBLIC WHY THEY DID THAT.
Anonymous said...
Only Jesus and Christians are taught to attack the fellow human beings. Their religion is BASED ON LIES. The barbaric Christianity which has wiped 1.2 billion people in 2000 years of its savage existence,(MORE THAN NATURE COULD DO IN 300 MILLION YEARS) wiping out Mayas, Incas, Aztecs, Maoris, Gnostics, Hellinists, Jews, etc. THEY ARE BORN LUNATICS, there is no fringe in them. They are taught this in their BIB-LIE i) Holy Bible -- New Testament, Luke 12; 51-53: Jesus said: “Do you suppose that I came to bring peace to the World? No, not peace, but division. From now on a family of five will be divided, three against two and two against three. Fathers will be against their sons, and sons against their fathers; mothers will be against their daughters and daughters against their mothers; mothers-in-law will be against their daughters-in-law, and daughters-in-law against their mothers-in-law.” ii) Holy Bible, New Testament, Luke 20; 27: Jesus said: “For those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and kill them in my presence.” AS FOR INDIAN MEDIA, IT IS WELL KNOWN WHO CONTROLS THE TRAITORS. ANYBODY IN KNOW OF THINGS WOULD KNOW ABOUT THE CIA CAPTURE OF MEDIA (OPERATION FALCON). As of Xtian Love, and equality, HA HA HA till now in South America 5% of WHITES CONTROL ALL THE WEALTH while the pooor Indians are left with a BIB-LIE and the torture instrument. Till now no Indian has been allowed to become the Leader in South America and the White Racist looters are planning (with backing of the head of Murder Inc., the Pope) the assasination of Evo Morales, the first indigenous population. See the site to see the real face of xtianity http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/mission.html#america By the way sis anybody know that Pronoy Roy of NDTV is a 5 p convert
Ramya said...
Mr Home Minister, nice to finally have someone in power who can call a spade a spade. In today's political context, secular has come to mean being 'anti-hindu' and the so called majority Hindus feel persecuted by the minority appeasing govts. What I don't understand is what vested interest the media has, in suppressing facts and publishing lies ! And why doesn't the Govt. which has all this information at its disposal expose the double standards of the media ?? I hope that we see someday in the future, an India where Hindus can feel that they are not being persecuted for being 'majority'.And in this case, I hope justice is served, and soon.
Narendra said...
People who have fallen into the "secular trap" keep advising Hindus to be tolerant. But, why don't they advise the same to Christians? Does our so-called secularists believe the Christians are tolerant by birth? Take the example of conversion. For time being assume that conversion doesn't happen by coercion. Nobody (not even minority commission) has refuted the fact that Christian missionaries ask others to convert to Christianity. So, when one person asks another to change his religion, is this person indirectly telling that his religion is better than the 2nd persons religion? Is this not a way of abusing other religions? Is this not an attack on other religion? And don't you see that the first person is intolerant about other religions? Intolerance is the root cause of all religious conversions. So, the so called "Secularists" should talk to Christian missionaries and ask them to be tolerant and stop conversions. In the past we have seen how missionaries reacted when conversion was banned. It happened in Tamil Nadu and also at many places. When govt talked about banning conversions, these missionaries protested. They threatened to stop all service activities. So, that means there is link between the service activities and religious conversion. If not, why should the people doing service activities protest for banning conversion? Their ultimate motive is to convert. If Hindus can't understand these things, then they will be doomed. So, it is good that, Hindu society has started aggressively protesting conversions, atleast now.
suma said...
In order to find a solution to this problem we need to move a legislation in Karnataka called “Regulation of Religious Conversions Act” (RRCA). Whenever religious conversions take place, there is often a change of name and therefore the identity of the person. This requires changes in the PAN Card, Passport, Voter’s Identity, Ration Card identity etc.Change of religion also affects the person’s legal status in terms of property inheritence, marraige and divorce aspects. Conversion also provides many “Reservation Benefits” which are automatic financial incentives for conversion. Since “Conversion” affects the legal status of the person in the community under several laws and the community has the right to demand that there should be a legislative regulation of the process of conversion. This should include filing of an affidavit and personal appearance in a Court, advertisement for public notice, and a mandatory cooling periond of around 45 days for objections to be filed by public against the conversion. Such a process will reduce the tension in the communities. I suggest Karnataka Government to take suitable action in this regard.
Ramakrishna Lanka said...
Thank you Mr. Home Minister. It is time that this menace is put to end once for all. Let the people know that they cannot get away by insulting the religious beliefs of the people, stoning police, and then hiding in a church. They have the temerity to do what ever they are doing only because they feel that they have the backing of vociferous and biased media, ill informed public and blessings of Congress (Italian). Their confidence that they can get away with a murder needs to be broken. I am confident that under your able leadership, this can be accomplished. May god give you strength to face all the challenges and calumny being indulged in by the anti national forces. Please keep up the good work and free Karnataka of this menace.
Anonymous said...
See the actual reason why Hindus are attacking Xians. Let them preach Jesus, but that doesnot mean that they shud insult Hindus and Hindus sentiments. http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Sep172008/district2008091690423.asp


2 comments:

R.Sajan said...

How much are the poor Christian victims of the merciless Karnataka anti-Christian genocide likely to be compensated with?

In Orissa, the State government has announced Rs. 2 lakhs each, and the Sonia government a further and additional Rs. 3 lakhs each to the victims as compensation. All the 1.16 lakhs of Converts in Khandmal would be made eligible. The total financial burden to the public exchequer would come to only about Rs. 6000 crores.

This will be met from the taxes paid by the majority community because the Christians are only around 2%, and they do not pay taxes on the huge foreign donations.

Compensation had been paid on account of the 2007 December violence also. The same victims would figure in both 2007 and 2008 violence.

Thanks to murdered Swami Laxmanananda, each Convert in Khandmal is now a lord of the State society with Rs. 5 lakhs each in their pockets.

The Bajrang Dal are thus rendered fools !!

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